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Unlocking Creativity Through Music and Lifelong Learning
Join us for an enriching conversation with Danny from Danny Tyrell Studios, a musician who has journeyed through Detroit's iconic music scene. From playing his first gig at just 14 to opening for Motown legends like Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross, Danny brings a wealth of experience and nostalgia from an era that shaped modern music. As we talk about the vibrant live music culture of Detroit, Danny shares how being surrounded by talented peers nurtured his growth and creativity in a thriving industry.
We also explore the significance of effective study techniques and how these can be applied across various fields. Drawing from personal experiences in education and corporate training, we emphasize the role of structured learning processes in personal growth and leadership development. Discover how these principles have been successfully applied in substance abuse rehabilitation and innovative music programs, enriching communication and learning experiences through the integration of Native American traditions.
Finally, we celebrate the power of community collaboration and lifelong learning. Hear inspiring stories of homeschoolers and rehab patients joining forces on practical projects, leading to positive societal reintegration. Our episode concludes with a compelling account of how study technology turned unused song ideas into award-winning compositions during the pandemic, illustrating the profound impact of following one's passions and adapting to change. With insights from our guest, Dan, we highlight how these learning approaches have been crucial in achieving life goals and fostering personal growth.
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All right. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Competence Institute podcast. This is Ryan, your host, and I'm very excited to have with us today Danny from Danny Tyrell Studios, and he is going to tell us a little bit about his experience with the study technology. He also goes by Dan Naimowicz and he runs the Danny Tyrell Studios, and he's going to tell us about what his experience has been with the study technology, how he uses it, and his career as a professional musician, which I'm very excited to hear about. We've not had someone on who's a musician yet, so that should be exciting. So, hi, Danny, nice to meet you!
Dan Tyrell:My pleasure. Thanks for the invite.
Ryan Kimball:Yeah, absolutely! Great to have you here. So tell us a little bit about yourself as a professional musician and your career so we can get to know you a little bit.
Dan Tyrell:Okay, born in Detroit, I grew up during the Motown era. Hit the streets in the middle '60's, when Motown was hoppin', doing well. Had a chance to see the industry grow, see the young people from the streets of Detroit create - be included in creating worldwide careers and get that music that was available in town. You know, even to this day, no matter where you go in the jazz world or the good, really good, popular music world, you're going to find players that came from Detroit, and Detroit City is still full of - just loaded with great live music, which isn't the case in other cities so much anymore, you know. Yeah, my first gig I was 14 years old. My neighbor hired me to play at a wedding, you know, and I was a trained drummer and I played something called the vibraphone. And then, that was in school - schooling, but in the kids' band I played kind of Ray Charles piano. So those two influences together. But the first gig was on vibraphones when I was about 14. My neighbors had a band and I used to always go sit in their basement and bug them, you know, all the time when they'd be practicing, and finally they took me with them. That's kind of fun. And then we played through high school. The guys in the neighborhood got together, wrote one hit record. We had one hit record as a group, as writers, and that was called Wait a Minute. It was by a guy named Rick Wiesen and that was, I don't know, maybe '63. He ended up getting to sing on the Dick Clark show and that.
Dan Tyrell:But the day I graduated from high school that - most people went out, hung out with their buddies; I actually went to the gig that night and from that point on, I played pretty much steady until my late 30s. You know, uh, full-time. You know, because in those days we had 60 bands playing full-time, uh, in the city of Detroit. I mean, when I mean full-time, I mean six nights a week and weekend matinees. And, um, what do we do with the high school - with the high school combo, the young guys - we used to open up for Stevie Wonder, you know, The Four Tops, Diana Ross, you know, and those were at sock hops in the high schools around the city of Detroit. So we got to see those guys firsthand and fortunately we were okay enough, you know, to be an opening act in the neighborhoods and in the city. And that grew on past that.
Dan Tyrell:So it just was a different time. You know - how do we go to school for music? We went to the gig, we stayed in the band. You learn three chords and you played that for a few years and you learned the fourth chord. You learned that and then you, you know so, it was a graduated, uh - um, as music got pop - music got more complicated, we got better at it, you know - it, um - so that was the life in those days and that lasted until, I would say, until the disco era hit, you know when John Travolta's famous dancing movie, you know.
Dan Tyrell:And after that people changed the way they combed their hair, they changed the way they dressed. The DJ came into the clubs, the light balls were in the thing and the hippie, grungy, rock and roll dudes were out of work. It never went back to what it was before. But, honestly, the club work was more formal. Guys would dress nicely. You know, in the Detroit area the bands were almost - well, you've seen the Motown groups, you know, everybody dressed similar clothes and colors and things like that. But great, I mean, it was just fun. You know, I say a lot of people went golfing, I went banding, you know what I mean?
Dan Tyrell:It's kind of like hobby slash, profession slash, fun kind of thing, you know. So that's the intro to my music career.
Ryan Kimball:That sounds exciting. Sounds like, yeah, it was full of life!
Dan Tyrell:Yeah, yeah I was fortunate. (Ryan: Very cool!) I was always in the band with how the guys (Ryan: Go ahead!) I was always fortunate, where most of the players in the bands were better than me, just - just enough to pull me up and pull me along, you know? I was a younger guy and, you know, so it just was a series of circumstances that overall, worked in my favor.
Ryan Kimball:Nice. (Dan: Yeah) Yeah, I know, it sounds like quite an adventure and you kind of self-taught and grew as the music grew, from what you said.
Dan Tyrell:Yep, it was terrific! And good guys! I mean the Motown guys - it was a job! You know, they're basically the next generation from me. I'm like a younger guy and they worked nine to five, five days a week. It was a production. I mean, they taught people how to dance. If people ever can go to the Motown Museum, take the time to go, because it'll give you insight as to how they cultivated raw talent in a very production-like way, teaching them to dance, dressing, manners, you know, and it was really well done. I mean it's - my hat is off to them.
Ryan Kimball:Wow, wow, whole culture, nice! Well, so tell tell us, how did study tech come into your life, at what point was that a part of what you were doing and how did it influence things?
Dan Tyrell:Yeah, I was always interested in, like - I took two years of music school and then, as years went by, I'd go now and then and I think for me, it's when I needed it in life. I was probably, I don't know, maybe by the time I was 30, I was thinking that, you know, I've learned all. I studied alternative energy, I studied music, I studied cultural history and I was thinking it's just kind of like not working. You know, it's just like not working. And I really didn't know why. And by then I actually had a degree of some sort and couldn't apply it. I had the information but couldn't apply it. So, for my own reasons, I took a study class - how to study - it was called, I think it was Study Skills for Life - was a real basic introductory course, and what I found out was number one you have to understand the words.
Dan Tyrell:I mean you really have to understand, not just imagine what it is or feel good about it or go. Oh, that's a nice word, I heard that word before. It's like, what does that word really mean? And so using a dictionary was important word. I heard that word before. It's like what does that word really mean? So using a dictionary was important and, starting at the beginning of the course, I would like to maybe go to the second page and the third page out of interest, and then the teacher, the trainer, would come back and go no, no, no, you have to go to part number two after number one.
Dan Tyrell:And that was the discipline. You have to go to part number two after number one. Okay, and that was the discipline. You know the discipline. And in that course I learned that words were important, also the thing I think was really good in learning theory. In modern education it's considered the exception if an instructor knows how to conduct the class in a way that meets a student's needs as to whether they like to see things visually or like to hear things or like to touch things or like to apply things visually or like to hear things or like to touch things or like to apply things or like to ponder things or like to solve problems. You know, one thing I found in that course was that course actually addressed all of those things. You know there were recorded, some recorded aspects of it that I would listen and I would apply and I would read as I would listen and things went right in order. You know you did number one and you read what number one said, made sure you understood the words, you would apply Number one. You might even find a way to demonstrate it in the world. So it already handled all the learning styles, which I was one.
Dan Tyrell:I learned about learning styles after this, you know, because I ended up teaching college for a while and they said well, you have to learn. They gave you a mini course on learning styles and I went. I already know how to do that, because just do a check sheet, check sheet goes in order. Another thing too, excuse me, a thing called gradients, where you don't skip. That's what I was doing. I was going from page one, I was interested oh, what's on page four? No, no, dan, go back to page one and the increases in the concepts add up, the applications add up, but they do it in a way that gets more and more builds on the previous one. It's like going up a hill step out of the time, or going up a staircase, and that's called a gradient. And so if you skip any of those gradients like I did when I went to page three because that was fun, then I wouldn't know what was on page two. Another one if you go too far and you look at something that's a concept that's beyond what you're building in the entrance level or in any level, if you skip forward and you put your attention on a concept that's beyond what it is you're prepared for, you're unprepared, and then you have something imagination or reaction or something happens that didn't add to what you were building previous to that. So jumping too far is really not handy at all in any way. And so I ended up teaching college after a while and I found that as a college professor there were no courses in teaching.
Dan Tyrell:And I find that today I'm helping out here at the local college in the music department as a mentor to some of the young players and very bright guys who know the content very well and can apply it have never been offered a method to present the material in an organized way to their students. The material in an organized way to their students. It doesn't mean they're not naturally a good teacher, because a lot of them are intuitively very handy people, you know. But there just are a lot of things that don't get them the product that they want in a predictable way, see. So that's another thing. You get some prediction with making sure you go in order, you understand the words and then you can do it on a gradient.
Dan Tyrell:So in music, in all interest, in all industries, um are all study endeavors. There's nomenclature, there's the words that apply to the in preparation for the things that you're going to study right, and so I had a chance to use this study method, this study materials. I've used it. I became a corporate trainer oh wow. But the same methods also worked when I went and I took a job as a rehab, substance abuse rehabilitation coordinator Right, and so people who were trying to rebuild their life were also trying to rebuild how to learn, so that you could learn how to do your life in order on the gradient. Same thing what's a nomenclature, sobriety, you know, take the words one at a time. So it helped in that. So I used it for myself, the study tech. I used it in a corporate environment, I used it in the rehabilitation for 10 years. I worked as a coordinator in that. So then I did something interesting In that substance abuse place. I started a music program. So the people, yeah, it was fun, it was really fun, and it took a couple of years for me to kind of understand what the gradient was. You know what the nomenclature was and what the right words are, what to do, what the actions are, how do you apply it. You know. But I did get it. You know, I finally got it.
Dan Tyrell:Musicians the Western culture thinks music started with the printed word. Where I was working at Manistee, there are a lot of Native American people who have a wonderful, intact tradition for how to communicate with instruments and gestures and things like that. So I kind of looked at their ways, you know, and the one thing I did learn is where's the starting point with music? Music starts before the written music. Music starts at birth. I mean, a baby communicates with you with sound. You know the earth, there's sound everywhere in the planet, you know.
Dan Tyrell:And um, so what we did is we built a program on communication, uh, and on a gradient and um, emotions would come into that. You know, we would try to people have people, uh, communicate with their emotions. So we started with the drum, the drum drum circles, like the Native American folks do. But they also were allowed to do it on instruments. So you and I would communicate. If you played guitar and I played drums, I would go dun-dun-dun and you would go dun-dun-dun. Then part of the drill would be do it happier dun-dun-dun, and then you would have to answer me back. Then we'd go around the whole room and then you would have to answer me back. Then we'd go around the whole room and each person would communicate to the next person. Then that next person would have to acknowledge that they got communicated and pass it on to the other person, and so we would do it in various emotional tones or experiences, you know, and it was great you and we ended up doing well.
Dan Tyrell:Here's the thing. Okay, I had the in the business world. I used for myself. I used study technologies and I used it in the business world and I used it in the rehab centers I used it in. I had a separate building where, when people were graduating, they could come in and they could review the study technology and take some additional courses. What was nice about that?
Dan Tyrell:Since I had the facility, guess what happened? Some of the people in the neighborhood whose kids were being homeschooled said hey, dan, can you teach my kids? I says, well, I'm not going to teach them, but they can come in and use our course room. They can come in here and they can take these courses, this study tech course, and they can even use the tables and the facilities and all that for getting through the class themselves. Right, so we offered the neighborhood kids.
Dan Tyrell:Then guess what happened? The Chamber of Commerce came and they came in and they started using their course room and guess what? They were learning how to study, you know, on a gradient. Of course, we added a communication course to that at some point. So the same exact technology, the same exact insight, the same exact procedure helped business people, helped young children, helped families, chamber of Commerce helped musicians. It's the exact same insight and it was done in advance of the modern colleges saying, hey, you know, maybe you want to apply what you learn, or maybe you should look up the words you know, because we've forgotten a lot of that. That was in our early Western civilization style of training, you know, and so the material we have. It worked for anybody.
Dan Tyrell:Wow, wow, that's incredible. That's actually quite an inspiring story. First of all, you've had a very full life and your ability to. I never really thought of it, but the methods we're talking about of how to study, they really do. They kind of cross all the barriers between different professions, different ages and, you know, different activities and whatever. I've never really. It's kind of really cool to see someone who's actually done that and then talk about how it is universal. Yeah, yeah, thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, how neat, wow, okay. So a couple of questions about the things you brought over, because they're all very interesting. You mentioned that you were training professionals from many different professions on learning how to study. What types of benefits did these people get from what you were teaching them and then applying it in their life?
Dan Tyrell:what you were teaching them and then applying it in their life. Well, I think it happens on a number of it sort of spreads. It lets you also know that you may not have communicated in an orderly way on a gradient to an employee. You may not have developed your company in an orderly way, you may not have been clear about the words that you used. They may not have meant the same thing to the person you were talking to.
Dan Tyrell:So it's self-reflection, I think, for a guy that's already out in the world, you start realizing that there's an order to the ways these things can be done to be more effective, and I have to be mindful of that.
Dan Tyrell:I have to know what I intend to talk about and know how somebody could apply it, but doing it in an order that builds, so we don't jump their attention to something else so they go blank on what we're doing right now, you know.
Dan Tyrell:So I think every profession that I saw there had some cognition, whether they were developing an organizational chart so that they have clarity on what the organization would build into, you know, or they wanted to look at what performance they were developing in terms of their statistics. All of that required some form of understanding what they're looking at, what the words mean, what order they should be in, and putting somebody newly on a job or doing a performance evaluation. Have I asked things in an orderly way of this employee? Have I asked them to perform in a way that's predictable, that's on a gradient? Does he understand what his job is? And you know a lot of those people. I think they've retrained people because of that and reset their priorities because they learned a way to look into the future that meant you have to go in in order right, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Ryan Kimball:So not only did these professionals, business, business owners, executives, whatever learn how to study for themselves and be able to learn their profession better and how to manage things better, but they actually learned how to be a better boss or create that group, that business, in a way that led to prosperity and cohesion, and all of that it sounds like.
Dan Tyrell:Yeah, and you know, I think they could care in a more methodical way about their employees and their business, rather than rant and rave on a gradient. You know you're not doing your job. It's like, oh, let's do this. Oh, did we miss something? Let's go back, let's clean that up. You know, and the study technology becomes a very broad view of life. You know, in the study, technology becomes a very broad view of life. You know, it's a, it's a. It's a very narrow method, not narrow, but it's a very framed method, you know. But it applies every time you want to view something. Am I looking at an order? Do I know the words? What's the nomenclature? You know it's. It builds into other things you know?
Ryan Kimball:Yeah, absolutely. I love that Care in a very methodical way. That's great. I'm going to steal that, if you don't mind.
Dan Tyrell:Yeah, sure.
Ryan Kimball:Nice, okay, great, and then you also. So there's so many different things that you did with study technology and these methods of learning. Let me ask you about you personally as a musician. You are already practicing professionally and established and knew your stuff. Did you use the study technology to take things to a new level or apply it to music?
Dan Tyrell:well, actually recently, uh, I I've had a new experience doing that. Actually, it's very interesting. I was playing, you know, with a local group, just casually in town, and a guy comes up and taps me on the shoulder and he says, dan, would you, my wife plays piano, would you teach my wife how to play piano, like jazz style, you know. And I said, oh sure, you know. He said I'll give you some money. It's okay, you know, he was very nice about it, very simple, you know.
Dan Tyrell:And when I went to the house, I found out that she was a very high level classical player. I mean, she accompanied university professors and their concerts and guys doing their graduate concerts and things like that. And I'm, I'm, I'm watching her play. I went, sure, this is gonna work great. And I started laughing at myself. However, what I did do is I realized that she didn't know the nomenclature of jazz. She didn't know the words, she wasn't even. She was not even at the beginning of the gradient scale of trying to learn how to play jazz. So I had to walk her back to be herself, not to be the other guy, not to be the sheet music, but the piano was going to be a voice for you.
Dan Tyrell:So we went right back to the beginning. What's the purpose of what we're doing? It has some things in common with what you've been doing. It's the instrument and the facility, which has great facility. So I set up a course and it took some work. You know what? There isn't any quite like this that I could find, and I searched the Internet. I found a couple of doctoral theses who kind of talked about it but didn't show you how to do it. You know, and so I started right at the beginning. You know what is jazz? You know what is self-expression, what is creativity? Who am I?
Dan Tyrell:You know and then they had to do some things like why, why are you doing this, what's, what's the point, you know? And then we built, we built a customized um approach for her and we had a step one and we have step two and words. She had to know at the beginning, things she had to do, even though she could do things a thousand times more difficult. In the classical world. It was grade zero in the music world, you know the, the self-expression. So we had to do some exercises to get her comfortable with the fact that it's going to be her music, it's going to be her decisions, it's going to be her emotions, it's going to be her sound, you know, and we're building up. And then how do you do that? Because there's a um, well, a couple things could happen. One, because there's a well, a couple of things could happen. One is there's a tradition in jazz of a list of tunes, maybe 50 tunes all jazz people are supposed to play. So we agreed that we would put those as portions of our future study. But there's also a great catalog of music that she already knows Chopin, debussy, bach, you know. What are we going to do about that? How's that going to fit in? So we found a way to insert those things that she's familiar with and extract the pieces that work and match what our lesson is. And then now we're going to compare that to what the jazz guy would do, you know. So we validated and used what she knew and didn't realize could apply across the board, you know. And then finally, so there's the traditional jazz, there's the classical music that people learn, trained people learn. And then now a third thing happens she becomes her own music, which isn't either of those two. She can interpret jazz any way she wants, because that's the goal of it. I don't predict that you know or not interpret it. She plays classical music as she should, however. That's determined. But there's also a thing that comes from her, like, if she's playing some chords or decides not to play a chord, it's okay too. We have three tracks that we're looking at simultaneously and that starts at grade zero, lesson one. Lesson two, lesson three be yourself. Here's the chord. Okay, what kind of tempo we're going to take this at, you know.
Dan Tyrell:So it's taken some work for me to match that up. It took a while to see how it goes, and I think I can apply this to well. The result is I kind of talk it over myself. The result is I've been drawing in three or four other similarly qualified players who didn't know I was doing this and didn't know anything about her, and I just would talk to them. I met this other woman at a different job that I was playing and she starts talking. She says well, can I take some lessons? I'm thinking, here we go. You know it's coming from starting to land, you know. So so I'm prepared to do it.
Dan Tyrell:You know, and the thing is, without the study technology, I wouldn't have known how to extract pieces in an organized way, in words, in an organized way, in competence, in an organized way. I would have just been kind of guessing, you know. But in music, you can, you know, something's a little more difficult, a little more difficult, you know, you can, you can kind of work that out, um. So I'm kind of excited, you know, I think I found a niche for myself. Actually, you know, people that, uh, probably going to do a lot more teaching, I think Nice.
Ryan Kimball:That's so cool. Yeah, I've never heard of somebody doing that, you know, taking a person's existing knowledge base in music and then turning it into a person who can play jazz and express themselves or even personal, personal music. Personal music Wow, okay, awesome.
Dan Tyrell:It's been a surprise that it worked, you know, because I thought, well, just keep the rules, dan. You know, just do it in order, yeah.
Ryan Kimball:Nice, so cool, wow, okay. So again another example of the many ways in which this method of training people to study so that they can then become themselves and learn things and interact better it's just so applicable across so many areas. So you also talked about using this to teach young students and kind of create their education. How did that work for you and what successes did you notice in that area? Education?
Dan Tyrell:how did that work for you and what successes did you notice in that area? Well, the thing I like is associated with this insight into teaching and this training method is a home study curriculum that can be used. That's compatible with what we do, and the nice thing about it is that after a student studies the course material, they're required to do a project that applies what it is that they just studied. So when I was at the rehab center, my building was separate. In the end, the last two years was separate in the end the last two years and I allowed homeschoolers to come in and use our facility and interact with the graduating patients. We were okay with that. Everybody had to sign off that. They were okay with that and so they could come in. And if you had to do a drill, we had to practice something or interact with somebody.
Dan Tyrell:It was nice because the patients patients were re-entering the community and the community was coming in um, just having fun you know and some of these things required you to go for a walk and you check some things out, you know, come back and report about it. Sometimes you had to move, build something with your hands or with clay, you know, so it was also. It was really enlightening to me that we're not doing that in school. The kids don't learn what to do with what they are studying, so it's a piece that I didn't quite realize, the magnitude of how much of it was missing, you know, yeah, and so it was a learning for me. I was more sold on this after that, even though I'd been doing this in some capacity for 20 years, you know. But when I saw the young child really happily doing a project, I can't wait till I get home. I'm going to fix this. Really, you're losing about school.
Dan Tyrell:Yeah, they were, and they've gone on. I've kept track of a few of them and they've gone on and they've done well. Same thing with the patients too, though you know the patients. One thing when you work in rehab, you never know who's going to make it and who's not. You can't predict, they just can't predict. But I can tell you on a regular. Every day I hear back from somebody.
Ryan Kimball:Wow.
Dan Tyrell:And we've been closed because of COVID for five years, but just people intentionally still using the information and going on past it to other things using that information.
Ryan Kimball:Wow, how inspiring.
Dan Tyrell:Yeah.
Ryan Kimball:Yeah.
Dan Tyrell:You know, people ask you how was your life? And I just I say pretty good really.
Ryan Kimball:Yeah, sounds like it it, that's so cool. Wow. Well, I have to ask you how did you end up with the, the? What was it? The chamber of commerce in your course room?
Dan Tyrell:really easy. I went and got them, I just went and invited them over. I let them have their meetings in my room, you know, in my, in my facility, a nice facility, a couple of blocks from the lake, you know kind of like if you think of like an Eagles club. It was a closed Eagles club so we had a nice little you know I call it the romper room where they could, you know, play ping pong and stuff like that and where there was a bar in one place that we we turned it into a juice bar. So we got a nice facility and the community was glad to see us reopen it because it was just sitting vacant in a very small community. So we cleaned it up, painted it up and just used it like it was. And of course the town was comfortable in seeing what we were producing too, helping people.
Ryan Kimball:Yeah, I imagine.
Dan Tyrell:We did the senior citizens. I didn't mean to interrupt, but we did the senior citizens similarly. We went into their building and gave them sort of a mini lesson, you know, on things like that, and it was fun and it was received, you know.
Ryan Kimball:Nice, you hit all groups, yep.
Dan Tyrell:How did?
Ryan Kimball:you end up teaching the Chamber of Commerce about study technology and how to study.
Dan Tyrell:It was real simple. I invited them to. I opened the book. I said here's how you do it. Here are the tables. Why don't you sit down and start? It was really that easy. By the time we got to be friends with them right it really was. It was not difficult at all. That's so neat, so cool wow I'm very impressed, so um it's not hard, you know.
Dan Tyrell:The thing is it's all you have to do is find out what they need, you know. Know, what are you trying to solve? That was the biggest learning for me. You know you always as a helper, you want to really help. So I get, I'll look at you and I'll figure you out and I'll get the solution for you and then I'll make sure that you do my solution. You know, that's not it at all. What are they trying to solve? Just help them. Do that. You know.
Dan Tyrell:We went to the. I spoke to some of the people at the jail. Are there some guys on probation that could use help? We didn't get any. But if we would have stayed open we would have. But we had kids who had dropped out of school, guys who were unemployed, who were just walking the streets.
Dan Tyrell:Come on in here and do a course. A lot of times I would just hand them the book and say just sit down and study. I didn't always ask Depends If there was enough donations to where we had extra books. So somebody needed some help. Ask him who needs help. That's another thing in a small town and it works in a big town If you get small pockets, portions of the of the population. You know, um, find out who the leaders are, that's another thing too. That's that complements this. You, if you pay attention to who the leaders are and you ask the leaders who needs help, you know and then offer to help. You'd be surprised. Who that what will walk in your door. It's really not hard, you know you don't want it to be hard.
Ryan Kimball:It's not worth it.
Dan Tyrell:Yeah, you know there's too many people that will come Very cool.
Ryan Kimball:Well, let me ask you this so my uh partner at the confidence institute is mike tyler, and I know you guys have known each other for a long time. Yes, how did you come to know mike and uh, you know, work with him on study technology or learn about what he's doing with that?
Dan Tyrell:okay, uh, mike and I met. I was a professional musician in the Caribbean kind of West Indies, you know and I was playing for a convention that Mike attended and we started talking and my tour there was pretty much ending. And we started talking and my tour there was pretty much ending and I was looking for I was either going to go to Africa or I was going to go to Florida or I was going to come back to Michigan. And Mike said, well, look, I have, you know, I have some places to rent and why don't you just come back? Because I'm going to have music seminars. And you know, he had another friend that was doing some music training and does it very well, and I knew some of the people that were in the Bell Creek area because they had moved from Ann Arbor as a group kind of, and they were taking building to town and things like that Some construction guys and study guys and business guys and stuff like that.
Dan Tyrell:So Mike and I flew back from the Caribbean and he was renting me a place for a while and one thing led to another he was also working with our friend, jacob, you know. So I met Jacob, which I'm amazed to see that you've had other people from that time period who've been on the show I think Ann is one of the speakers that you've had yeah, wonderful physician. And so we just started talking. You know how do you want to help people? What can we do, you know, and this one thing led to another and, uh, it just grew, and we've been friends ever since really great friends actually yeah, yeah, so cool.
Ryan Kimball:Yeah, it's such a. When you know this study technology, you can use it to help people. I find people seem to find each other to then help other people, so that's the common word help help. Yes, right, a lot hinges on that little word. Do you have any success stories that you noticed Mike accomplishing with his application of study technology?
Dan Tyrell:Mike. Oh, I don't even know where to begin. You know he is, he's fast, bright, willing to help anybody in great depth, you know, I mean he really knows his stuff. He really knows his stuff and I know you folks have organized this, this group, this organization. Folks have organized this group, this organization, and I've read some of his ideas and he's talked to me on the phone. He's called me on the phone when he's traveling and he's a very literate guy, knows the details extraordinarily deep, he's very precise and committed. He's not fooling around. This is a big deal. This is a big deal.
Ryan Kimball:What you guys are doing Nice, awesome. Well, thank you for that. Well, I would say that you are kind of the epitome of a lifelong learner. You're like the perfect example. You've learned in so many areas, taught on so many different levels. What would you say to somebody who wants to become a person like that, wants to become more of a lifelong learner, achieve different accomplishments, be able to do things in different areas? What's your advice to someone in that position as regards to study, technology and whatnot?
Dan Tyrell:Well, it's a great question, Probably three different streams of thought that I have on that One is there something you're doing now that's not going the way you would like it to go, or has gone backwards? You know? How can you fix that? How can you fix that? So I think that's one of the first places to start is to don't abandon something that you need to clean. You can, if you choose, clean it up or abandon it. I mean, if it needs to end, it needs to end. So you can use study tech for that cleaning up what it is you and also closing it. You can use it how to properly close something.
Dan Tyrell:The next one is who needs help? You know, I mean you can learn to help. By learning the study tech, you can learn to interact with somebody in an organized way. It looks intuitive, but it's actually a organized way. Uh, when you look at them, you can sense where you might intervene and shape them into a place that's productive.
Dan Tyrell:And then the last one is what's your dream? I mean, I've been on a planet a while. I still have dreams. I really do. You know things that I I want to accomplish and I show up to do that. So I think that's probably the, the one that would strike. Strike a note with most people is what do you really want to do? You know what? What's either something that interests you, something you enjoy, something that you haven't accomplished yet, that you would like to really get done. Put the stake in the ground, let's start. You know, I'll tell you what happened to me. Real quick, covid hit right and everything I was doing stopped and I had to pay a little medical attention to my body. The companies I was with closed, the economy shut down, even music. There wasn't any music business. The people just weren't doing anything, you know. So that was something that was a surprise for me.
Dan Tyrell:So I had a bunch of. I mean, I had assembled some. Well, I kept bits and pieces of songs, things, sounds and songs and ideas that I had recorded, but I kept them over the years. You know little things. So I thought, you know, let's see if any of these are songs you know. So I put a couple of them together and I sent one to a guy in Brazil and he played it back to me, recorded it, and I went yeah, and I had never written really intentionally, ever. You know, I participated as a group, contributed, but never sat down and said this is my song, you know. So I played it back and I in the future will play it for you guys. But it was a good song, you know. Of course the Brazilian guy killed it, you know, he played it. He's a great player, you know. But anyways, it came back and I was encouraged and I was a little shocked actually when I heard it.
Dan Tyrell:And then time went by and I was a little shocked actually when I heard it, and then, uh, time went by and I, I did another one. I started helping out at the college and they have a, they have a program where senior citizens can just take classes, you know, and I sat through some of the classes, but then I got called on to start helping, you know, start helping the kids. But, um, so I wrote another song and and I put this county has a earth day competition. So I gave them my song, you know, I said here, let's see if you like my song for and I won the prize and I, sweet water music, gave me a present and I came in first in songwriting for the county, you know. So that was not far after I did the first song. So, um. So that's my example of something I had yet to do in life that I'm doing now.
Dan Tyrell:I have probably an album written, a nice album. Guys play it in the clubs. You know, we're kind of sorting it out, see what's working well. And the lady, the classical lady I told you about, that was really good. Her husband plays sometimes with the Detroit Symphony, sometimes with the Toledo Symphony. He's a university professor of music. I knew none of that when I met them. Now he's offered to record all my songs. Listen to this. He's a tuba player. He's got a French horn player. His wife plays piano. I have some electric instruments and electric piano. We're going to just play through them. What we get is what we get and the music will be done, you know, but he's he's insistent that we do it maybe around Easter. So let's see how it works, you know just See how it works.
Dan Tyrell:I've had this. I came to this. There used to be a church up north that the young folks used to really like. It was called the River of Life. Great pastor sort of non-denominational welcoming anybody and everybody. And I never knew what the river of life really meant. You know, I kind of like wow, this is some kind of like secret church thing. You know, because they talk about the river. And one day it hit me. I was there taking the patients there and I went. I know what that means. It means you get on a raft, you don't tip the raft over, you don't crash it and you don't know what's around the corner, corner, but you keep your eye on what you want and eventually let's just let the raft go. Just let it go, don't crash it, and that's it. Just have confidence and keep going. You know, keep looking out there and that's what happens.
Ryan Kimball:I love, love it Very, very inspiring. Yes, I feel elevated just by hearing about all these things you've done and your viewpoint on them. It's great, and your application of study technology to make this orderly and how it weaves in and out is just fascinating to me. It's a true application of something you know to accomplish your goals throughout life. So just amazing. Thank you so much for sharing all that with us.
Dan Tyrell:It's really been a pleasure, thank you.
Ryan Kimball:Yeah, absolutely so. I'll wrap up here, but stay on the line for a second. So I thank you, everybody who's listening, really appreciate you tuning in for a second. So, all right, thank you, everybody who's listening Really, appreciate you tuning in for another episode. And thank you, dan, for sharing everything you did with us. We'll talk to you guys on the next episode.
